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Re: Blog del Narco supposed author claims she was forced to flee

2013-05-19T06:21:12Z

Lucy's plan to write a best selling book appears to be not working our so well. According to a Story in the Dallas Morning News yesterday, the book includes victim testimonials and pictures so gruesome that bookstores have shunned it, limiting its sales to an e-book version.

Words are powerful weapons, be careful how you use them.

Re: What Other Types of Orginized Crime do you Study/Research?

2013-05-19T05:44:28Z

In Europe the Albanian and Turkish mafias are pretty strong , the Albanian mafia especially is very interesting , its not like a normal mafia its more like clans but for a country with a population of like 4 million they control a hell of a lot in Europe and are probably the most violent out of the European criminal groups.

Re: What Other Types of Orginized Crime do you Study/Research?

2013-05-19T04:47:33Z

Does anyone think it's possible to rank the power of the world's most powerful criminal organizations? For instance, if you were to say that these groups are 'the most powerful within their respective realms':

Mexican DTO - Sinaloa Cartel
Colombian DTO - Los Rastrojos or Los Urabeños (Sinaloa Cartel?)
Sicilian Mafia - Matteo Denaro Messina clan
'Ndrangheta - Pesce 'ndrina (?)
Camorra - Casalesi Clan
LCN - Genovese Family
Yakuza - Yamaguchi-gumi
Triads - Sun Yee On
Russian Mafia - Semion Mogilevich or Sergei Mikhailov (Solntsevskaya Bratva)
Indian Mafia - D-Company/Dawood Ibrahim

Which of these groups would you say has the most power/influence within their country/area of operation? Which group would you say has the most global power/influence?

Re: Video: New Community Police Group in Tabasco

2013-05-19T03:30:48Z

This is like professional wrestling. Good guys vs. bad guys, propoganda videos, shows of focrce, etc.. Really over the top stuff.

Re: What Other Types of Orginized Crime do you Study/Research?

2013-05-19T03:10:13Z

i forgot to add anything by Charles Bowden. I really enjoyed Down by the River. Great book, one of the few journalists to have intimate knowledge of some obscure capos.

Re: Who killed Chalino Sánchez?

2013-05-19T02:54:37Z

I have heard a rumor that chalino and el jt were related.

Rosalino Sanchez Felix = chalino
Javier Torres Felix= el JT

Re: Blog del Narco supposed author claims she was forced to flee

2013-05-19T01:18:16Z

CHIVIS FOREVER

Re: Blog del Narco supposed author claims she was forced to flee

2013-05-19T01:17:42Z

@ Texcoco

I agree, but I'm still glad that we got 'em. They get a lot of narco news and videos before everyone else but Borderland Beat is still the best. BIG UPS to Buggs!

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Re: VIDEO: Of The New PUCD Matazetas

2013-05-19T01:12:44Z

oops

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Re: Video: New Community Police Group in Tabasco

2013-05-19T00:34:23Z

Where the hell do community police get weapons like these from,they look like a cartel cell to me.We got the kidnapper killers up in Veracruz,now these guys south east...hope they do the right thing.

Re: Helicopter Captures Shootout from the Air

2013-05-19T00:24:54Z

It's definitely the same mini-gun animation.

I wonder what's up with all the BDN clones. I guess it's just trying to get at the top of every search, but now Tierra del Narco seems to be his main outlet.

The logos all over videos and photos that don't belong to BDN are really annoying.

Re: Helicopter Captures Shootout from the Air

2013-05-19T00:00:37Z

Have you all noticed the similarity between Tierra del Narco and Blog del Narco at the beginning of that video?

http://narcconoticias.blogspot.com/

Re: VIDEO: Of The New PUCD Matazetas

2013-05-18T23:52:53Z

Magician posted this yesterday under New Community Police Group... But it didnt get many views because the title i guess. These guys have to be backed by some cartel, or are a cartel like CJNG Matazetas.

Re: Unknown migrants entombed in Texas

2013-05-18T22:47:44Z

Like my compadre would say, Es una joda ser pobre.

Re: Who killed Chalino Sánchez?

2013-05-18T22:09:41Z

Good post,
Wasn't Chalino the first to sing a corrido to JT
Javier Torres ? Early 90"s he was well known back then as well.
As far as Chalino, he was the one who really elevated the corrido genre.
I don't want to say he was the only one because there were people before him, but he definitely was the first to really take it to another level and mix in with the connected people.After his death he reached icon status. I really miss that genre, El Lobito, EL Puma, El Monarcha, Saul Viera, even Juan Rivera, Lupillo of the old.

" La palabara es plata, el silencio es oro "

Re: Who killed Chalino Sánchez?

2013-05-18T20:42:57Z

@Pariente, I'm including the Gonzolo Araujo story in the answers in the main story.

Re: Who killed Chalino Sánchez?

2013-05-18T20:28:50Z

From why I've read.
El Botas Blanca's took his son under his wing when the federation split.
At that time it was Beltran vs Chaps and people were obligated to choose sides.
At one time they formed a group " Los charritos " a lot of history in that family as well. His daughter was the one that " supposedly " stirred up drama with el Puma and el animals son. The infamous puma video, she was kiddnapped and later released. And it was suspected that she gave up el puma to Chaps people to answer for el animals sons death. Now that was the rumor on all the blogs and publications. Chalo was a ruthless guy from what I read and his narco jr son wanted to follow those footsteps as well. His most popular corrido was vida Mafiosa that blew up with Tigrillo Palma. What I found intriguing is that Chalo son jumped from the balcony when Arturo's apartment was being lit up. He was young, likely could have surrendered. Sorry, a little off topic but very intriguing.

" La palabara es plata, el silencio es oro "

Re: Blog del Narco supposed author claims she was forced to flee

2013-05-18T19:27:33Z

I get the impression that "Lucy" is actually a guy trying to throw people off

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Re: VIDEO: Of The New PUCD Matazetas

2013-05-18T19:18:34Z

@Milo. Please don't start the personal attacks

Words are powerful weapons, be careful how you use them.

Re: VIDEO: Of The New PUCD Matazetas

2013-05-18T19:14:09Z

Texcoco, AJ doesn't hate MundoNarco, everything he post is from MundoNarco, he will be a hypocrite if said he hates Mundo and he only post articles from mundo. Or maybe he does hate mundo but he is to lazy to look for the original articles and that's why he gets them from mundo.

Re: Unknown migrants entombed in Texas

2013-05-18T18:06:19Z

It's sad that so many people are so desperate, that they are willing to risk everything for economic opportunity.

Re: Unknown migrants entombed in Texas

2013-05-18T18:03:21Z

From the story:
For reasons that remain unclear — law enforcement authorities refuse to speculate — the number of deaths in the Río Grande region is rising while those in Arizona — which typically records the highest immigrant death toll in the southern border region — dropped from 253 in fiscal year 2009-10 to 77 since last October, according to the Coalición de Derechos Humanos (a human rights group that tracks immigrant deaths in Arizona). Mendiola said immigrants can easily lose their way in the flat, Texas brush country. In Arizona they can use the mountains and other natural landmarks use as directional markers.

There is one very good reason why the numbers of dead and rescued is higher in South Texas than in Arizona and it is understandable why law enforecement would not want to talk about it. There are simply more potential illegal border crossers in South Texas and the US govt. is responsible for it.

The procedure is known as Lateral Repatriation, or Lateral Deportation. It began a decade ago as a pilot program aimed at reducing migrant deaths in the blazing deserts of Arizona. The thinking was this: Instead of sending illegal migrants back to the Mexican side near their point of arrest, U.S. agents could break the catch-and-release pattern — and ties to local smuggling guides — by shipping deportees from the harsh deserts to more settled areas opposite south Texas. (see story on BB about LATERAL DEPORTATION at link below)

If you were an illegal who had been picked up in Arizona, your home was Southern
Mexico, and the Border Patrol shipped you hundreds of miles and deported you to the most violent area of Mexico - Taumalipos, Nuevo Leon, Coahuila - what would you do?
Cross the most vioent areas of Mexico in attempt to go home or take your chances crossing back into Texas?

Even as violence has increased in Mexican border states such as Tamaulipas and Coahuila, U.S. authorities have increased the number of deportees they’re sending to those places, according to a new study by Maureen Meyer and Adam Isacson at the Washington Office on Latin America (WOLA). They found an apparent correlation between homicides in a Mexican border zone and the number of deportee arrivals. If they had included in their study the bodies found in Brooks County and other border counties and the numbers of deportees shipped from Arizona to South Texas, I think they have found a similar correlation.

“A review of data from Mexican security and migration authorities reveals a troubling trend: As border zones become less secure, they receive more deportees,” they write. “In every Mexican border state that saw an increase in homicides since 2009, deportations from the United States also increased. In Mexican states where homicides declined, deportations also declined.”

These data don’t indicate something as nefarious as U.S. migration authorities deliberately placing deportees in harm’s way,” they continue.

RIGHT!

http://borderland-beat-forum.924382.n3.nabble.com/Does-BP-deliberately-deport-apprehended-illegals-to-the-most-violent-areas-of-the-border-tp4042531.html

Words are powerful weapons, be careful how you use them.

Unknown migrants entombed in Texas

2013-05-18T17:59:39Z

By Jared Taylor

Reuters

FALFURRIAS, Texas – Mounds of dirt decorated with fake flowers sit at the northern edge of the cemetery in this town about 80 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border. Small metal placards mark the graves of the unknown, generally by gender, while others simply say “bones” or “skull case.”

It is here that more than 50 unidentified immigrants were buried after dying in heat and punishing terrain while they tried to seek new lives in the United States. As legislators in Washington debate bipartisan proposals for an immigration overhaul, Texas officials say this small town, the seat of Brooks County and part of the U.S. Border Patrol region known as the Río Grande Valley sector, is emerging as an epicenter of death and misery.

Sheriffs’ deputies in the county — population less than 5,000 — found 129 bodies in 2012, about double the number from the year before and six times that recorded in 2010. This year so far — before the hot summer months, when the majority of deaths occur — they’ve found 17, said Brooks County Judge Raúl Ramírez.

In the Río Grande Valley sector as a whole, which comprises 17,000 square miles of southeast Texas, Border Patrol agents are also recording a rise in deaths and apprehensions. Enrique Mendiola, the Border Patrol spokesman for the area, said 78 immigrant deaths and 357 rescues have been recorded in the sector since the government fiscal year began last Oct. 1. In the same period the year before, he said there were 42 deaths and 137 rescues.

For reasons that remain unclear — law enforcement authorities refuse to speculate — the number of deaths in the Río Grande region is rising while those in Arizona — which typically records the highest immigrant death toll in the southern border region — dropped from 253 in fiscal year 2009-10 to 77 since last October, according to the Coalición de Derechos Humanos (a human rights group that tracks immigrant deaths in Arizona). Mendiola said immigrants can easily lose their way in the flat, Texas brush country. In Arizona they can use the mountains and other natural landmarks use as directional markers.

Most of the bodies recovered in Brooks County were buried without a forensic examination, which the county cannot afford. Texas law offers guidelines on how to handle remains, but how that is carried out depends on the county.

“They’ve never had an autopsy,” said Lori Baker, a physical anthropologist at Baylor University, of those in the cemetery.

“JUST RUTHLESS”

Ramírez said the ongoing discoveries of deceased immigrants have put a strain on local authorities. Each time someone finds a body, a deputy must respond to the scene, often miles from any roadway, and a justice of the peace must officially declare the person dead.

Each body bag alone costs $740, Ramírez said, an extra $95,000 burden on the county last year.

Local authorities are still trying to learn more about the dead. Baker is leading a team that will exhume 54 marked graves in Falfurrias to collect DNA samples and perform tests to uncover the immigrants’ age, sex and causes of death. The DNA will be sent to a lab to be cataloged in missing-person databases.

“I’m concerned as to how they’re making these identifications because none of them have training in forensic science,” Baker said.

The Border Patrol’s Mendiola said that as smugglers, or “coyotes,” have continued to capitalize on the demand for guides into the United States, the number of people caught has grown.

Most immigrants pay several thousand dollars to gain passage across the border and the checkpoint south of Falfurrias. “These smugglers are just ruthless,” he said. When someone falls behind as a group threads its way through private ranch land, “they’re just going to leave them behind, because that’s lost revenue for them.”

Even those already familiar with the dangers and hardship involved remain willing to take the risk.

Honduran citizen Olebin Rivera, 32, told Reuters he was trying to return to the United States after being deported 10 years ago. He wants to go to Houston, where he can work as a painter or roofer to support his 3-year-old son and wife back in Honduras.

Rivera said he’s hopeful that Washington will reform its immigration policies, but for now “there’s no promise.” He said he has heard the stories of immigrants losing their lives on the journey north but is not afraid.

María Carmen Ruiz Rocha, 34, is equally determined. At the Casa del Migrante shelter in Reynosa, Mexico, across the border from McAllen, Texas, she talked of how she missed her husband and two children in Kenosha, Wisconsin, where she says she lived for 15 years working as a housekeeper. (While her husband had a work visa, she did not. Their children were born in the United States.)

Ruiz Rocha returned to her native Guanajuato state in Mexico in February to take care of her mother, who died at the end of March. Two days after her mother’s death, Ruiz Rocha said authorities arrested her in Progreso, Texas, downstream from Reynosa — one of the unlucky members of her group who was not able to escape the authorities. After appearing before an immigration judge, she said she was deported to Reynosa.

“The judge told me I didn’t have a right to be there,” she said. A few days after she was deported, she crossed again and was again caught and returned. Each time she said she paid a coyote $4,000.

Ruiz Rocha’s family has exhausted their means to pay for another crossing.

“I want to go another time,” she said. “I need to cross. I don’t have anything here. My life is there.”

http://thenews.mx/index.php/mexico-articulos/9679-unknown-migrants-entombed-in-texas

Words are powerful weapons, be careful how you use them.

Re: Who killed Chalino Sánchez?

2013-05-18T17:40:49Z

Thanks, Guero. That's an interesting video.

The note and all make it seem like it does have more to do with the Pérez guy that he killed for raping his sister, than some girl he met at the show, but who knows.

Re: Who killed Chalino Sánchez?

2013-05-18T17:25:14Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-GVfaEj3LU

On this video @ 3:47 they send him a note on a piece of paper telling him they are going to kill him you can tell chalino looked very nervous when he read it.

I heard Chalino killed a man who raped his sister, this guy was the real deal.

Sicarios interupt dinner and murder four at a Zapopan seafood restaurant

2013-05-18T17:05:38Z

Apparently, this was a prolonged shootout and the victims put up a good fight. Folks in the neighborhood have complained about heavily armed guys in pickups cruising the area. The restaurant, Mariscos Mr. Cora, is known to be frequented by suspicious characters who carry guns and spend a lot of cash........

This morning authorities found a silver pickup with bullet holes

Sicarios interupt dinner and murder four at a Zapopan seafood restaurant

May 18, 2013

MEXICO CITY (proceso.com.mx.) - Four people were hit with bullets on Friday while dining at a seafood restaurant in the city of Zapopan, three of them died and one more was seriously injured but died hours later in hospital , police said. The man who died at the hospital has been identified as Jonathan López Delgadillo, 28. One of the other victims has been identified by his father as Israel Amiram Delgadillo Jiménez, 25l.

According to early reports, the incident occurred at 10:00 pm at an establishment on Birch Street and Mexico Avenue, in the colonia Vallarta San Jorge.

Witnesses said an armed group arrived in two vehicles, and four subjects got out and started shooting.

The victims tried to repel the attack, but were shot, while the gunmen escaped in a gray pick-up truck.

Apart from the victims, there were eight customers in the restaurant who were unharmed.

The injured man is about 27 years old and carried a gun veneered in gold.

The body of one of the murdered men was on a table, another at the entrance of the room and one in the parking lot.

One of the assailants was wounded and arrested by police. He has been identified as Jonathan Osorio Estrada.

http://www.proceso.com.mx/?p=342323
http://www.informador.com.mx/jalisco/2013/458646/6/fallece-cuarta-victima-de-ataque-a-restaurante-en-zapopan.htm

Re: Who killed Chalino Sánchez?

2013-05-18T16:35:46Z

What's the story? Did Chalino get down with the wrong chica after his show and piss off Chalo Araujo?

As Pariente pointed out, it's interesting that his son died with el Botas Blancas.

Here's a photo of Gonzalo Araujo Payán, el Chalo, and his son Gonzalo Araujo Zazueta, el Chalito. He was 48 when he died, so he would have been about 35 when Chalino Sánchez was murdered.

Re: Who killed Chalino Sánchez?

2013-05-18T16:26:24Z

Thats the correct theory it was chaulo aurajo over some pussy it happens all the time shit happens

Re: Blog del Narco supposed author claims she was forced to flee

2013-05-18T15:53:35Z

One more thing I forgot to mention. Tierra del Narco belongs to Blog del Narco and they are still posting news articles.

http://www.tierradelnarco.com

http://narcconoticias.blogspot.com/

Re: VIDEO: Of The New PUCD Matazetas

2013-05-18T15:13:56Z

Here AJ, since I know how much you hate MundoNarco I will post a video with out the letters.

http://narcconoticias.blogspot.com/

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2013-05-18T15:05:36Z

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Re: Here's an actual face pic of the infamous Chino Antrax.

2013-05-18T14:01:28Z

Looks Gay too me lol

Re: Z-16 Sends Comandante Chery from CDG A Message

2013-05-18T13:55:34Z

Fake and Gay! Seems that Notifomex and Historias del Narco they been putting pure BS lately with this narco messages!

Re: Z-16 Sends Comandante Chery from CDG A Message

2013-05-18T13:54:14Z

Fake IMO

Re: Here's an actual face pic of the infamous Chino Antrax.

2013-05-18T13:41:11Z

jajaja pues eso es lo que dicen